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Blurt's November 7 2008 blog round up links to stories by Max Bookman on Zuckerman, Pearson, and Ram.

Most of the comments are in the Ram piece. The ones from David Zuckerman and Ed Adrian are interesting...

From Dave:
"...But I have to wonder...had Chris and I been Democrats would Kesha have run against us in a primary? Would people like Ed and Maurice worked so hard to defeat us? Do party labels matter that much? If they do, is that not a sad statement about our democracy?
From Ed:
"...Dave has also worked very hard at reaching out to the community and I applauded him for his efforts publicly on the FPF on October 30, 2008 where I stated the following:

"I have known Dave Zuckerman for over a decade when we shared a regular card game with a group of other folks. I am a founding member of his CSA, he came to our wedding and I consider him a friend. He has worked hard and I wish him the best of luck. Remember that each and every one of you in the Chittenden 3-4 legislative district can vote for two people for the Vermont House. I would encourage all of you to join me in voting for Kesha." *** I should note that as of November 5, 2008 I became, not due to my own choice, a former member of Dave's CSA...."
I hate when people assume we know what acronyms stand for. Ed mentions "FPF." That's Front Porch Forum, a neighborhood email update. He also mentions "Dave's CSA." CSA stands for Community Supported Agriculture. Some kind of hippy-zippy food buying group thing.

But anyway. Is Ed Adrian trying to imply that Zuckerman kicked him out of a food co-op because he helped Kesha Ram defeat Chris Pearson? Whoa Nelly. Ed Adrian is running for mayor, by the way.

The last comment in that string is a zinger:

From "Who Stabbed Whom?":
""the stab in the back the Dems gave to the Progressive party"

Howabout the stab in the back that the Progs gave to the Democratic Party when Dave Z ran against Democrat Sandy Baird back in the mid-1990s. That was a waste of "civic energy."

Howabout the stab in the back that the Progs gave to the Democratic Party when Pollina ran as the third candidate in the Governor's race in 2000 and came close to putting Howard Dean under the magic 50%?

Howabout the stab in the back that the Progs gave to the Democratic Party when Pollina ran as the third candidate in the Lt. Gov.'s race in 2002 and handed that office to Brian Dubie?

Howabout the stab in the back that the Progs gave to the Democratic Party when Dave Z began a run for Congress against Peter Welch in 2006? Had Bernie not told Dave to get out, we'd all be saluting Congressman Rainville.

Yeah, stab in the back alright."
OUCH! Zing! Game set match. Checkmate. Burn! Et Cetera.
posted by Haik Bedrosian @ 9:43 AM  
  • At November 09, 2008 2:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I was there when Zuckerman kicked Adrian out of the food co-op. And he didn't do it face-to-face, instead he kicked out Ed's wife. And I heard exactly what Dave said as the reason for booting the Adrians and their two small children: "You shouldn't have endorsed Kesha." Class act, Zuckerman. Maybe you have a million dollar trust fund to keep you well stocked in organic veggies, but woe to the fool who doesn't vote the way you want. (I'm posting anonymously because I don't want to be kicked out as well).

  • At November 10, 2008 12:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Wow, that's some statement. I won't doubt it, nor believe it. But if that's true, that's a big bummer.

    The Prog/Dem split in Burlington is something I've never truly understood. That the Dems can;t actually put up their own Congressional candidate is something I also don't understand, Welsh not withstanding.

    Haik, I'm expecting some standard-issue "Haiking" on this one: I want info!! Don't let us down.

  • At November 10, 2008 3:41 AM, Blogger JayV said…

    Well, it's not news that the P\progs are cut-throat. But I"m surprised at Zuckerman's mendacity (remind me next summer not to buy veggies from his farm in City Hall park).

    A good friend coached little league in Roosevelt Park (ONE), and because he wavered from the progs script, he was booted off the coaching rota.

  • At November 12, 2008 11:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I would like to clarify because this has been a rather troubling scenario.

    First of all, I did not remove Ed or his wife from the CSA because they supported my challenger. Also...I do not know who Jen supported (which is also fine that is her business). I am fine with anyone supporting whoever they want to.

    I have had members for 10 years of all kinds of political persuasions and there has never been (nor hopefully will be again) an instance like this. Throughout Vermont there are business relationships that cross political lines.

    The issue is ethics in Vermont politics. Maybe some people feel there are none anymore...but let me try to explain briefly.

    In Vermont we all have many business and personal relationships that cross our political philosophies. That is part of what makes our political scene more "civil" in most instances. However...there are also some unwritten codes that I have observed in my 12 years of being in politics. One of them is that folks tend not to use their personal or business relationships for political gain at cross hairs to the business relationship or without chatting about it first. And this is where Ed crossed the line.

    In his posting you will see that while it was couched as being friendly etc. it was also a political ploy (and it was part of their overall strategy to get people to vote for Kesha and me...which was an effective kudo's to them).

    I have no problem with folks endorsing whoever they want to over and around friendships. Those are political decisions. But to use a friendship or business relationship as a tool for partisan politics was beyond ok.

    I might add that only 2 weeks (give or take) earlier, I had had a discussion with Ed asking him that we separate our business relationship from politics at CSA pick-ups because it made some other members uncomfortable (without placing blame on him or me, we just get heated...and we enjoyed it...but other members did not). So it was on the heals of my asking him to separate our politics from our business relationship that his email was sent out. From that, the next time I was to see him (I thought) other than the heat of election day was at the next share pick up on wednesday. Sure the timing was not great...but it was the next scheduled pick up. I wanted to do it in person to try to explain all of this rather than through emails and blogs.

    I am sorry that he has chosen to air this laundry in public. But so be it.

    Other members do not need to be afraid. I will not be attacking people at the farmers market. This is really getting rather overblown (as many distractions do in politics). If anyone wants to blast me go ahead I suppose. But if anyone actually wants to know more about the details you can also contact me directly rather than in the ugly world of blog rumoring and anonymous comments.

    I have no issues with being opposed or people supporting whoever they want to. But I do believe in Vermont politics being above all of this kind of stuff. I have not been myself since the election since I have become far more cynical than I had been in 12 productive years in the legislature. When a picture is worth more than a 1000 words in local politics it is disheartening. When one can be accused of being a "blatant lier" without a shred of evidence, or without any media follow up to get it right before printing, it is very frustrating. When someone deliberately and knowingly spreads misinformation and can get away with it that makes me lose hope.

    So while Tuesday was a monumentous day forward for our country, I am of very mixed feelings about the ethics of politics in our state.

    Maybe I have made errors too. I try to learn from them and move forward. But I hope this posting clears the air with respect to the rumors of Ed and my farm and why I did what I did.

    PS...Ed picks up their vegetables 90+% of the time. I had planned to speak with him directly. I also tried to step aside for the conversation with Jen, I am sorry it I did not go far enough away. my mistake.

  • At November 12, 2008 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    As for stabbing in the back...

    If folks want to bring up the past from 1994 and believe that people can not move on then that is fine. Sandy Baird and I have a reasonably good political and personal relationship at this point. I believe we have moved on for the most part ( me if I am wrong here) to work on a number of things productively together. Some will live with a monkey on their back from the past...I would like to try to move us forward as we look towards the next 2, 6, 10 years.

    In the ensuing years since 1994 we have had our battles, but locally and even statewide, we have been working far more in concert than in battle with Democrats in Montpelier. Even 2000 was a long time ago.

    Many already forget that Howard Dean was not the liberal grassroots guy then that he is now. Many people within the Dem spectrum were pushing for pressure on Howard.

    As for 2002 that election was one where Anthony choose not to run for Governor as Progressives had (And still have) a lot of respect for Sen. (then LG) Doug Racine. Both for his political positions and his ethics. There is (and I guess always will be) debate as to "who got in first" in the LG race, ultimately it does not matter. The race went to the legislature where the R's only had 88 votes (90 needed to win) and Dubie got well over 130 (give or take a couple). So many many D legislators voted him in too.

    Finally, as to Congress. I find it amazing that my decision to work for the greater good (not running) is now turned into a "Progs are bad moment". Quite a twist. My decision (and you can choose to believe it or not) was not guided by Bernie's comments. I was weighing many factors and his was not the tipping point for me. The overall good (I thought) was more immportant as well as various family considerations.

    I find it sad that so many want to jump to the negative conclusions around motivation. There are many many good people in politics who are serving to help their community (from all perspectives). I hope others do not get dragged through it like this. It just discourages others from even considering getting involved.

  • At November 12, 2008 2:45 PM, Blogger Haik Bedrosian said…

    Thanks for writing in Dave.

  • At November 13, 2008 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ed Adrian is a bad pony and I'm not going to bet on him.

  • At November 13, 2008 5:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    God, mother and country....

    Haik, I gotta get over to your site more. What a freakin clusterfuck (not your site, this episode).

  • At November 13, 2008 6:07 PM, Blogger Haik Bedrosian said…

    Hi Odum. Good job getting Obama elected 'n stuff over at GMD. What's my username and PW there again?

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